fyshiee General Suggestion - Remove EMPs or Add Alternative Base Defense

fyshiee

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Suggestion Name Remove EMPs or Add Alternative Base Defense

What's Being Added/Removed/Changed - Remove/nerf EMP grenades
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- Add alternative base defense (proximity mines, etc)

Why It Should Be Added/Removed/Changed EMP grenades have reduced the creativity of 99% of base designs to simple tunnels composed of a few sticks and 4 fences, with shooting holes in a giant box. This is among the only few ways of combating them, with the alternative being that you create a super long base (which is against rule GER6).

Garry's Mod has always been a game about creativity. Addons have been added such as SmartSnap and Advanced Duplicator 2 to allow for this, and yet the bases that everyone uses take 20 minutes at most to build.

By removing EMPs, the problem is fixed entirely and people are more likely to want to build things that are nicer and potentially stronger. However, the raiding meta is already set—grab a blue grenade and rush in. It may be unreasonable that they be removed entirely, so nerfing them to cover only one door at a time (or removing sticky EMPs?) could be a good option.

The alternative is to add more ways for players to defend their bases using M9K entities that are already present on the server. They could be sold by a black market dealer, or a new job could be created. This option seems less effective.

Here is a link to a screenshot where I spent exactly 7 minutes building the base that I see most frequently on the server by anyone from User to Supporter. The prop count is in the top left of the screen—26. People are spending $75 on a rank that gives them more props, and yet there is no reason to use it.

This may seem like a small issue to some, and others will disagree with me then proceed to paste their 26 prop base down. I, along with other people, have spent hours upon hours on Garry's Mod tinkering with ways to make a base more defendable against a 5 man raid. Even with the best, most time-consuming builds, nothing beats a 26 prop, 7 minute base that's overlooked by a loser with a sniper rifle.

This is a screenshot to my favorite build. It's composed of 3 180 degree turns, and the entire base is slanted at 45 degrees in order to expose the raiders more. With defenses at each side of the path, and a confusing sense of direction for the raider, you would think that this base would be extremely difficult to raid. It's not. If I had to guess, it would take 2 sticky EMP grenades thrown in the middle of the pathways to get through all of the doors. There is no opportunity to defend, despite how well planned the design is.

I'd like to further explain that this suggestion is not for me—I've done my tinkering and I've spent hours to work around the issue as best as possible. I'm making this suggestion because not everyone is as experienced with building as I am, and not everyone is willing to put in the time when there's no need.



This will be my only serious forum post.

Links to Addons M9K, already in server
 
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you’re not the first person to suggest this and hope youre the last, emps we’re added so people could actually raid without dying instantly and many other reasons
 
I don’t think EMPs deserve to get removed maybe nerfed back to its previous range before its most recent buffs so these super long bases don’t need to exist. Base designs are getting less and less creative because of these bases popping up everywhere.
 
Asking to remove one of the most used raid tools would ruin raiding for a majority of the server. Are they a pain in the ass to defend against? Yes, but there are a multitude of options builders have to use against them, take the stick entrance way where you have to use sticky emps otherwise they fall off, shooting blinds exposed? Make a over head fence blind that's barely see through. I don't agree with removing sticky's either, because the stick entrance is one of the reasons why they exist. Nerfing seems like one of your few options for this post.
 
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-1 beacuse ramps arnt that broken u don’t need a super long base just one door a bit further beacuse unless ur like rocket who can grab em in a few seconds h will have time to kill them
 
-1 You don't even need stick bases to defend against sticky and regular emps. I have several designs that beat both without the use of stick props. Simple good designs that have multiple angles to shoot the raiders to throw them off. My two best designs so far well designed to take at least 4 sticky emps to get through.
 
It seems like nobody who has downvoted even read the post—I'm not arguing that EMPs be removed. They should be nerfed to cover less area to allow for more viable options when building.
 
It seems like nobody who has downvoted even read the post—I'm not arguing that EMPs be removed. They should be nerfed to cover less area to allow for more viable options when building.
Its as simple as building a better base there are plenty of public dupes if you want references
 
-1 lol no, bases are already OP pussy. emp gives you a good rushing chance to catch a defender off-guard let alone prepping for a quick peek kill
 
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If EMPs needed to be changed, the addition of sticky EMPs would have killed basing. There are multitudes of base designs that make EMPs damn near useless, ones that can even be made with 40 props or less. If you ask me, sounds like you made this suggestion because you're a little miffed about being raided
 
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It seems like nobody who has downvoted even read the post—I'm not arguing that EMPs be removed. They should be nerfed to cover less area to allow for more viable options when building.
I'd also like to add that the title of your suggestion only mentions the removal of EMPs, not a rework